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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2007, 06:50:26 PM »

smckeown.....

that's how I understood the tchnique being described.  And that's something we practice in class.  Have you ever had that done to you?  It hurts like crazy!!!

I found another useful book with great info....The Power of Inner Kiai by Song Park.  Page 36 demonstrates the St5 issue we've been discussing.  Page 55 shows the TW17 attacked with a ridgehand and page 59 shows the 2 finger technique someone else mentioned previously.  Has great restoration techniques, too.

I have had this point used on me in training. It really does hurt like hell.
You pretty much forget about the ability to move any other part of your body.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2007, 07:49:08 PM »

The best way to strike with the thumb is to place it between your index finger and your middle finger and close tight on it.
in this position your thumb can't bend and it is in a good structured position for striking with out hurting your thumb.
I show this on one of my  1ST DVD'S. Yes with that thumb strike you can hit what we call jaw 1.(tw 17)
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2007, 10:08:16 PM »

OK, Guys.....

Anyone familiar with "Element" hand configurations?

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 01:53:40 AM »

Hii



All my training is geared to self protection

In the stress of a real fight you would never think to  put your thumb/hand in such a weird position.


You just clench your fists and wail away generally. Smiley

As to the elements I learnt all that years ago but again in a real fight it is irrellevent IMVHO

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2007, 09:02:17 AM »

I realize that.  I think I would just wail away, too.  I was just curious if anyone had an opinion about them. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2007, 10:21:40 AM »

I am not familiar with that term "Element" hand configurations. Care to explain?
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2007, 01:53:57 PM »

Are you familiar with the cycle of destruction?  Here's the analogy of how I remember the order:

Water puts out fire
Fire melts metal
Metal chops wood
Wood peirces the earth
Earth dams water

Each finger of your hand represents an element:
Thumb earth
Index wood
Middle fire
Ring metal
Pinky water

There are certain ways to make a fist or ridge hand or shuto into an element to attack the element of a meridian.  For example:  To make a metal ridge hand, touch your thumb to your ring finger where it's connected to the hand, keeping thumb straight.  Use it to attack a wood meridian, say GB20.  This just makes the strike's impact much more effective and HURT LIKE CRAZY!!!
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2007, 07:13:26 PM »

We are familiar with the Element theories. I have a good image that I need to dig up and post on here about that.

The hand configurations sound intersting. Have you ever used them in a real situation? Do you notice any increase in reaction?
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2007, 07:46:32 PM »

What do you consider a real situation?

We practice the theory on each other in class.  Our class time is 90 min.  30 min is devoted to self defense techniques.  We break down a kata move, decide on what the attack is, see which points are the most logical and work from there.  For instance your kata move with the wrist or elbow lock.  The knees buckle and the attacker gives you his neck and/or side of his head as the target.  I believe you uses a twisting punch as a finish off?  You can make a metal fist: make a fist but leave your index and middle fingers knuckles sticking out.  Now, attack any gall bladder point on the side of the head, hitting with the 2 knuckles.  The reaction is very intense.  We practice the move, see what reactions different people get.  Then we add element theory.  Big difference in reaction.  Stances have elements as well, we add those, too, and the reactions are even more intense.  It's alot of fun, we enjoy overkill.  But isn't that why we call it practice?
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2007, 04:41:46 AM »

Hi

I think a real situation is some thug in the street trying to take you off the planet

You've already said youve not been in one, thank god

I always go on about reality but I do enjoy the fun of dojo training occasionally lol.

Especially kyusho stuff.

Is that you in the Avatar Jules?

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2007, 06:35:02 AM »

Yep.............me and my husband, Don
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2007, 05:15:37 PM »

Hi Jules, I have to say that, i am so glad that I am starting to see the whole pp arts commuity interacting together this was the entire purpose of this site, as well as to inform. I thank you for your correction to the site but there is one you have missed! I put them there to find out who I'm speaking too, an at what level they are currently. There is one more there you didn't find can you tell me what it is? It's just a stupid game I play. The next pp is well worth loking at, I think it will change the way we look at pp. In time I will show the training for combat pp art but I can see that you have been well train. My hope is that I may in some little way help to inprove use all.

Thanks again L.P.Lambert.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2007, 08:00:49 PM »

The thumb at one time was the best kept secret of many master. mostly Okinawa Master, The Cinese Shoalin would use the finger for pp, but would not not tell how they made the fingers so strong. So the Okinawa Masters adapted by using the thumb it takes less train time and it is almost as effective.
 The tip of the thumb can penatrate three fourths of an inch even to the point of separateing muscule. one way to start the training is to do finger tip push ups and in time remove a finger at a time till you are using only the thumbs. another is to hang a log by rope from a tree push the log away from you and as it returns to you stop it with the tip of the tumb only. an other is thumb hand stands keeping balance by resting the feet against a wall. At this point the thumb will have the power to penatrate with great speed and power with out damage.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 11:36:51 PM »

I have no interest in fingertip pushups.  I understand the use of thumb strikes, big fan of them.  Great for push points.  It's an "earth" fist, great for hitting bladder or kidney shots.  They work on my apponants and they hurt when apponants use them on me.  Again, it's not strength that makes pressure points work.  It's how you you use them.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2007, 04:26:52 AM »

Hi

In real fights Ive never had the inclination to use single digits.


Dont think I ever will and dont believe people ever did in real life.

But If you had to use one the soft body parts and not the head would be the obvious targets


If you can hit a makiwara with it full power then maybe you can think about targeting the head with it or maybe you hit like a cissy.  Tongue

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