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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2007, 07:35:25 AM »

Hit like a cissy...........I DO NOT HIT LIKE A CISSY.........OR LIKE A GIRL!!

The thumb on its own, not on a hard target.  Reinforce it with the rest of the fist.  Just bend your thumb and barely tuck the tip inside.  Actually, kinda like only the tip of the nail (a short nail) tucked in.  Hit B54 (in the bend of the knee).  From a headlock, I grab the attacker's hair or shoulder or even back of shirt with the hand closest to him.  With the other, use the thumb fist and hit that point as hard as you can, he will land on his back.  OUCH! 
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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2007, 01:57:17 PM »

While we are talking about good uses of thumbs, how about if an attacker grabs you wtih both hands.
A quick touch to both of his eyes with your thumbs will make him almost instantly release.

If a quick touch doesnt work then Im sure you know what is next. :0
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2007, 04:46:13 PM »

With both hands how?  Choke?  Double lapel?  Give an example.

Double lapel, how will you get your hands in a position for the thumbs to strike the eyes?  They could strike triple crossing, or LI18, or SI16 or 17, or my all time favorite GB20- - - -dig in and pull forward and upward-good night!

Choke, same.

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2007, 11:44:00 AM »

I was think double lapel but you could adapt it to a 2 hand front choke.
For hand positon imagine if your holding a glass full of something.
Remove the glass.

The hands would go on each side of your attackers head and thumbs in the eyes.

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2007, 12:59:33 PM »

OK......I think I missunderstood you.  So just the thumb?  Not the fist with the thumb knuckle sticking out?

Is that right?

I tried the thumb fist and I just can't ge to his eyes.  Actually, I'd have to hit arm points to bring him closer, I can't reach his face.  Yes, I tried 3 or 4 guys of different height, the smallest being 5'9" with a medium build.  I will try just the thumbs to the eyes and see how it works.
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2007, 01:10:38 PM »

Now you have it.
Correct me if I cam wrong but I believe the pressure point in the eye is on the heart meridian so it should lower the heart rate, possible setting up other points as well.


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Correction. The eye point is not on the heart meridian. I just confirmed with Master Lambert.
However it does lower the heart rate and many other bodily functions as well.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2007, 02:56:27 PM »

Correction. The eye point is not on the heart meridian. I just confirmed with Master Lambert.
However it does lower the heart rate and many other bodily functions as well.
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2007, 03:26:53 PM »

Bladder 1 is in the inside corner and 2 is right above it on the brow.  St1 is just below the pupil.  TW3 is on the outside end of the brow, GB1 is on the outside corner of the eye.  There are a number of ways to set up a knock out.  That's why I like arm points so much, I can't reach you so I gotta bring you to me.  I like  to "embrace" my attacker! 

Strike L5 with a hammerfist, with a twisting motion, toward YOU.  Now hit St1, 2, or 3, you will probably hit all three with a fist, but pick one if you're using your thumb. (I did this one and it worked great.  No ko, but the guy couldn't see and had to sit down!)

Strike P4, 5, 6, and 7 with a shuto, raking downward toward you.  Then Stike TW23.  I personally would use an uppercut or palm heel, upward and outward.  For GB1, same, but ridge hand inward and slightly toward the back of the head.

 To set up B1, you would have to grab your attacker's wrist after he has grabbed you, put pressure on H4, 5, 6, and 7 with all fingers.  Then you can use your thumb or the thumb fist in toward the nose and in toward the tear duct area of the eye.

These are VERY incapacitating shots.  If Mr. Bad guy doesn't go down like a ton of bricks, he will be stunned, crying because that's what happens if you get hit in the eye, and probably fall down, but consious.
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2007, 09:32:13 PM »

On my clinic dvd 1 I show how to do a thumb strike with know chance of hurting your thumb. It is not like your technique not that others don't do the job it just gives you a better structure and reduces the fear of hurting your own thumb.
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2007, 11:28:57 PM »

I don't think I'd hurt my thumb on soft tissue.  I just wouldn't use it near a bone like the knee or elbow or ankle.  Thumb strikes are not practical for me to use on the eyes because I have to do so much to get you close enough to do it.  I like thumb strikes or the thumb fist strike.  It's just not practical for me.
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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2007, 08:41:08 PM »

Well it is a very difficult training, it will take many years to master this one But I have film of a Shoalin master practicing a single index finger hand stand, the film runs for about twenty minutes and he never shakes the whole time. In the soft arts, this is a common practice even for stances. In the old training methods, to start training in any school a horse stance must be held for fifteen minutes with out shaking before you could start your first day of training. Today this is an uncommon practice. We here in the U.S.A this type of practice is unseen in most of the world. And it is true, it's not needed. But my student have seen what a index finger can do to a heavy bag, and many people have wittnessed people putting there fingers through a full coke can. I could only imagine what goes through someones mind when they see that. master Moran has seen this film too. It is something!
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2007, 09:03:18 PM »

The film of the martial artist that knock the pip scentless was a high block-strike just under the jaw as shown in any basic kata. but the fist wraps around the neck. This type of strike lifts the jaw at its hinge and disrupts the nerves in and around the hinge. it is classified as a cavity strike not a pressure point but in reality it is a kind of a joint lock to the hinge of the jaw. I say that to show that the jaw is pull outwardly by the twisting of the high block(strike).
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2007, 09:18:39 PM »

You got to see Master Moran do a toe kick to a bowling ball he can kick it from one end of the DO JO to the other end with the tip of his toe! and his thumb press is even stronger! REAL DEAL
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2008, 10:04:03 PM »

I SHOW THE BEST ONE ON THE CLINIC ONE DVD .
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2008, 06:30:20 AM »

You got to see Master Moran do a toe kick to a bowling ball he can kick it from one end of the DO JO to the other end with the tip of his toe! and his thumb press is even stronger! REAL DEAL

I just got to ask - What Century do all of you live in Huh The 16th Century - and you all walk around with out wearing SHOES Huh
Well, just in case you haven't noticed; Its Now the 21st Century Roll Eyes
And, the hardening of the Hands, and the Feet - Is So Cave-Man like, don't you think Huh Roll Eyes
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