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windreaver
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« on: September 28, 2007, 07:35:42 PM » |
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It's a very simple but effective method to hit hard onto a single point.
First, make a tight fist. Now instead of laying your thumb across your fingers, lift it up and place the joint onto the joint of your index finger. You want all four of your second finger joints lined up and the end of your thumb to form the point.
This greatly increases the striking power of your thumb as it can't bend. You strike by swinging your hand in a sideways motion. Great for catching someone behind the jaw or using it to apply pressure to a point.
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Pressure Point Karate
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« on: September 28, 2007, 07:35:42 PM » |
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smckeown
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2007, 08:31:48 PM » |
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Good tip. Some may still find that some thumb training may be required to keep your thumb from bending.
By the way Thanks for joining the site. Do you have any martial arts background?
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windreaver
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2007, 08:40:24 PM » |
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I've never attended any formal classes, but have had a tiny bit of training from relatives that have or were in the military.
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kyushoguy
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 04:56:45 AM » |
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Hi
Sorry but the jaw is very strong and in a real situation you cant risk breaking your own thumb.
There would be a great chance of this with this hand formation.
There are safer hand configurations.
tc
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smckeown
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 06:10:48 AM » |
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A one kunckle fist could work as well.
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kyushoguy
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 05:44:41 AM » |
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Hi
I wouldn't advise that against solid bone for the same reason as I gave for the thumb
tc
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windreaver
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 10:06:20 PM » |
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Hi
Sorry but the jaw is very strong and in a real situation you cant risk breaking your own thumb.
There would be a great chance of this with this hand formation.
There are safer hand configurations.
tc
KG
The idea is not to strike the jaw, that would not accomplish much of anything. You strike sideways, behind the jaw, in the channel below the ear canal at the tw17 pressure point: http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=TB17&meridian=Triple%20BurnerYou can read more about it here: http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/15791441/an/0/page/2As for breaking your thumb, holding your thumb in this position makes it extremely strong. That is the whole point of that configuration. I maybe did not explain the position very well, let me see if I can find a pic... http://www.mg-3d.com/lesson4.htmlLook for the part that says "Thumb Fist" it's also called Boshi Ken. This picture does not show it properly aligned though. It may be a variation on it. You need to keep the tip of the thumb aligned, pointed 90 degrees up, with all of the knuckles of your fist. |
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kyushoguy
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2007, 03:22:02 AM » |
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Lol i know where TW17 is and it is on the Jaw at the hinge.
and you do hit it into the jaw.
I'm guessing your knew to this?
Hitting the jaw doesnt acomplish anything??? LOL
I guess youve never been in a fight or watched boxing or UFC then LOL
You would be KO'd wherever you were hit on the jaw by someone who knows how to punch.
No you explained well Ive been aware of all these hand configerations for 30 years ish.
Use them in the street and you have a good chance of breaking your finger if you can hit hard that is.
Most Martial Artists have never been in a real fight especially the Japansese and Okinawan sensei where this sort of behaviour is frowned on and would get them thrown out of a dojo.
And the dojos are peopled by middle class or high class people usually.
Not ruffians who are likely to be street fighters.
Dont believe the myths.
Can I ask how old you are and what you experience is please?
tc
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windreaver
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2007, 06:19:09 AM » |
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Hitting the jaw doesnt acomplish anything??? LOL
I guess youve never been in a fight or watched boxing or UFC then LOL
You would be KO'd wherever you were hit on the jaw by someone who knows how to punch.
lol I think we are talking about two different things. But this is not about a punch, only the strike described. Hitting someone in the jaw with this particular method would not do much but hurt your hand. I was describing only a strike to the pressure point. A good solid punch will definitely break someone's jawbone or knock them out. I agree. |
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smckeown
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2007, 06:54:55 AM » |
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There was a video floating around the internet a while back about a pimp that was arguing with one of his girls right outside a martial arts school.
The instructor went out to help and the pimp didnt realize he new anything. The pimp tried to attack. The instructor used this point to knock the guy out in one move if I remember correctly. If it wasnt this point I beleive it was in the same area.
The whole thing was caught on a security camera so the quailty wasnt the greatest. The guy hit the ground like bag of wet cement.
If anyone knows what video I am talking about please post a link.
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jules
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2007, 12:00:58 PM » |
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windreaver....
I'm not understanding the hand configuration, but tell me if I'm understanding the strike how you describe it:
Make the fist you are talking about and dig the thumb knuckle into TW17. Not punching or tapping, just touch the point with the thumb knuckle and really dig in ?
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smckeown
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 12:17:28 PM » |
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We use to have a student that became a bouncer. He used to use this point to subdue someone until the police arrived.
I think this point with that hand configuration would be more of a pressing and submission hold rather than a full strike.
Windreaver
Do I understand correctly?
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kyushoguy
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2007, 02:35:16 AM » |
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Hi Well were getting into semantics here. I'll leave it there. I saw the pimp getting KO'd video. It is impossible by the quality of video to see where the punch landed let alone what hand configeration he had.  It was a night, at distance, on a dodgy cctv camera Of course many Martial Artsist online claim he was using their technique even though all the techniques they claim it is are radically different. All we can really see is he smacked him in the side of the jaw head area. It'll be on youtube I bet. I havent got time to look for it. tc KG |
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jules
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2007, 08:33:08 AM » |
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smckeown.....
that's how I understood the tchnique being described. And that's something we practice in class. Have you ever had that done to you? It hurts like crazy!!!
I found another useful book with great info....The Power of Inner Kiai by Song Park. Page 36 demonstrates the St5 issue we've been discussing. Page 55 shows the TW17 attacked with a ridgehand and page 59 shows the 2 finger technique someone else mentioned previously. Has great restoration techniques, too.
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windreaver
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2007, 03:35:22 PM » |
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That is one variation of it.
The one I'm talking about is like this:
Make a standard "thumbs up" gesture. Now bring you thumb down until the knuckle is touching the knuckle of your index finger and your thumb tip is still pointing straight up.
This configuration makes a sort of "natural kubaton" that you can use to either apply pressure or to strike. It is very strong as I tried it out on a solid wooden wall with no pain (except a too long thumb nail lol). In order to break your thumb in this configuration you would have to hit something so hard as to splinter the bone in your thumb tip itself.
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