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Author Topic: Karate Stances - Strikes and Vital Points  (Read 1836 times)
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2007, 07:33:26 AM »

tom would you mind much explaining more about these techniques you used, for the people in the had systems like karate. They may have never heard of jing springing coiling, limb distruction techniques. Would you be our teacher?

MasterLambert; I would not know how to teach this Soft Methods through an e-mail format Undecided In order for me to be able to do that, there would have to be "Hands On" training of some kind, because of the Prerequisites that are involved ---For example; The Concept of (Fa-jing Explosive Energy) would have to be taught first + The "C"-Back Posture + The mind Set ect,.
I do see that there is a Pressure point "Speed" Striking DVD coming soon, and if that is what I'm thinking it is = The Fa-jing, well, then we could go somewhere, but they would have too buy that DVD and master it before my teaching would make any since too Them Grin
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2007, 12:05:20 PM »

no Tom, that DVD is hard style karate (boxing) There is no Jing invovled. Just basic show of speed.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2007, 04:37:00 PM »

no Tom, that DVD is hard style karate (boxing) There is no Jing invovled. Just basic show of speed.

Oh, I See; Gee, isn't it strange that Hard and Soft can be So Different, but still aim for the same results Wink

OK, If you "still" would like me to explain some of the Soft Concepts, and Methods - I will put my thinking cap on and try too use what brains I have left too do just that Grin Now, whare in Your Forum, would you like this placed?
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2007, 05:01:13 PM »

Tom
You can create a new topic in the general forum if you wish.

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Scott
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2007, 07:19:21 AM »

Tom
You can create a new topic in the general forum if you wish.

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Scott

OK, I will do that. Ken; I'm still not sure what MasterLambert wants me to cover with the Soft methods? I'm going to wait and see what he would like me to do!
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2007, 05:55:09 PM »

Do what you wish.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2008, 08:49:45 PM »

I know this tread is old and cold, but I'd like to make a comment.  The differance between a grab PP and strike PP is the situation.  some points can be hit effectivly, the impact of the strike driving into the deep tissue causes damage.  Percicion isnt critical: Examples of these points could be the face, neck, bottom 3 ribs, top of the head, Gall bladder 36/31, spleen 9-11 and the feet. 

I'd like to say once you break a bone, any bone, you cause a level of shock on your enemy which leaves them at a HUGE disadvange as the physical remoications are working for you.

many pressure points work great with just grabbing: then you need percicion: UB 58, GB 36, anywhere mucles come together, inbetween muscle strands (like in the neck), vertebra (tuck your thumb tip into your fist, leaving just the tip out, cup your other hand on the bottom, go for a bear hug making short gouging motions) facial points, and Stomache 4.

In advanced fighting techniques, Bruce Evertt Miller writes about the 4 levels of paiin.  Ill be more than happy to post the paragraph pending moderaters request.  but to paraphrase, Miller writes about the physical effects of pain on pressure points to several degrees.  its a good read.


As a non responder ( a person that doesnt feel pain on pressure points) i have laughed black belts in their corner asking for help many a times where they relied exclusivly on lame at best pressure point techniques.  If you are against a non responder in a street situation, go for a ligament or break something. even as a non pain feeling person, i cant fight with low blood pressure or limp limbs.

The dicipline of Martial arts is what defines up and helps us define the situation and what level of force needed.  its what seperates us from the animals.

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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2008, 07:08:17 AM »


In advanced fighting techniques, Bruce Evertt Miller writes about the 4 levels of paiin.  Ill be more than happy to post the paragraph pending moderaters request.  but to paraphrase, Miller writes about the physical effects of pain on pressure points to several degrees.  its a good read.



Please post away. I would be interested in reading it.

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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 05:40:32 PM »

Per Moderator request:

This is taken from Bruce Evertt Miller's Pressure point: the deadly touch pages 15-17

"A physiological fact that we must cover is the reflex called pain withdrawl reflex.  the pain withdarwl reflex is a complex (as opposed to simple) reflex.  What makes it complex is the fact that there are three seperate levels or reactions to pain.  If you can understand all of these levels then you can easly and effectivly control your opponent, making them do what you want them to do regardless of how conditioned or strong they are or what their level of training is.  The fact is that the body responds to certain actions at reflexive level.  A person cannot help those responses, for they have been hard wired, so to speak, into our circuitry.  Thus, ther is a way to defeat even the best trained martial artist, but you must understand these reflexes completely and intuitively to do it.

The first level of pain withdrawl reflex is the reflexive action your body uses to get you away from a sudded onset of pain.  If you accidentally touch something sharp with your hand, your hand will be moving away from the source of the pain even before the conscious thought has identifed why you are experiencing pain.  your hand hurts-pull it back.  You dont have to think about removing your hand from the site of pain; it just happens.  This is tru because when you expierance pain in your finger, the nerve impulse carrying the message goes from the finger tip to the spinal cord.  At the spinal cord, the nerve impulse carrying the pain message, stimulates two differant and separaate nerve impulses.

The first of these newly stimulated nerve impulses is called the reflex arc and nerve impulses are stimulated and sent back to your arm muscles.  the second impulse is the message about the pain which is directed up the spinal cord to the brain.  it is extremly important to this concept that you realize the messages telling the muscels what to do are traveling down the arm from the spinal cord reflex arc at the same time as the nerve impulse telling of the pain is still heaidng for the brain.  Because of this, the physioligical fact of the matter is when you experience a sudden onset of paion, you actually have no control over ther reflex action your body initiates to remove itself from the painful stimulus.

SECOND LEVEL RELEXES
the next level of the pain withdrawl reflex is called the crossed extension reflex.  Crossed extension reflex action is where under sudden painful stimulation, the body not only moves the estremity in pain away from the paionful stimulus, but also causes the oppoisite extremety to move in exactly  the opposite direction...... (page 16)

ThIRD LEVEL of pain withdrawl reflex is the most useful.  in the third level the body not only does the above mentioned motions but also moves the body mass in the direction which will decrease the pain. 

The reason why this thired level of pain withdrwal reflex is as significant as it is, is that it is entirely reflex and it affects the entire musculoskeletal systm.

Being a reflex there is no thinking portion to the action which is iniated.  The reflex is a straight foward as the levels described above.  you hurt and your ENTIRE body mass moves as fast as it can in the direction which decreases that pain.  It sdoent matter that by doing it may cause the body to lose balance and fall, bounce, orr a wall or other object, or set the person up to receive even more pain........ (page 17)"

Miller goes into detail into the second and thrid stages and how to get someone there but you guys get the jist. If you pull someone's hair and their whole body moves with the head opening up the neck for a strike, youve acheived level 3. 

If you ever get a miller video, be prepared, he is somewhat full of himself and his videos are exclusvilly seminar related and dry.  You dont see any stink eye knock outs, or flashy pressure point knock outs on standing still victims.  Bruce uses charts and diagrams and goes in to deep detail on the medical reactions of his theories.   boreing but effective.
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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2008, 11:04:11 AM »

Nice article.
Thanks for posting it.

Scott
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