Tom...

I think you hit Sp 6.  Especially if you used St5 in conjunction with it, the guy couldn't get up.  Have you ever accidentally hit Sp6 doing kata?  In naihanchi, I have kicked Sp6, and 10...OUCH.  If you have ever practiced self defense with Spleen and Stomach, they hurt.  Bad.  But they are extremely effective.  They are easy to remember, and easy to get to. 

jules

You are right on one point. Today, no one is so well trained that they would instantly use time of day when incountering an attacker. But after the fact, time would be a factor. Not only time of day but also weather and season. Just like healing it is a factor in combat application. That is a documented fact. But in your case it would help to know these factors to understand the possible out come. With your discription The ST #5 point using a palm heel strike had little to do with the out come (effect) other than to push him away and off balance him on to the opposite leg which you then struck. The reason I said possible LIV # 6 is because the outcome is a match to LIV # 6. the strike would be a straight in strike, and the pp would receive all of your power because he was balanced upon that leg. The results should not extent past what you saw at that time. There should be no long term effects.
I hope that this can help you out alittle, of course I didn't see it I wasn't there. So It would be hard for me to examine.

  I started in 1962 with karate Shodan in 69 then buc Shoalin Then Shorin Ryu 4th dan, then gand ultimate, of course bits and pieces of others here and there. I also studied acupuncture for about twenty five year under a professor of acupucture that is a freind and my doctor and under my karate instructors. I do healing work for students and friends free of charge sometimes needleing as well as pressure (no cupping). healing is the only way to truly understand the way pp works. for it is just opposites. That is why I can say with authory that these things are so. in fact standing beside menow, is a person I am healing of a head ace. I hope this will answer your questions.

On the QT; Remember the movie " ROCKY", when pauly and rock were talking in the meat house, Pauly asked, do you like my sister? and Rocky said, "we fill in gaps, pauly said,'what do you mean, gaps? Rocky said, I don't know, shes got gaps-I got gaps- together we fill in gaps!
 well maybe all of use together can fill in GAPS.

In reading some of what other people are saying concerning Knocking Someone Out with the use of pressure points - Which seems to be All that they care about! It makes me wonder what their Teachers are telling them, cause if their teacher is saying that it is easy to KO someone  out there on the Street -(well, in my humble opinion, they are being Lied Too) Because, it just does not work that way - In order to KO someone, the correct angle + direction + the Force, and also, the set-up point must be struck at the correct angle + Direction - and of course the knockout point must also be struck in the proper manner - And, lets not forget that the set-up point and the ko point must be struck within a second of each other - cause they both have to be in an activated state for the KO to Happen! And, i believe that there is a Tape coming out on this forum that describes that very Action?!Not to mention the person that is attacking you is not just going to stand there and let you do it! In a Street Fight, you do not have time to think of what points your going to use - This Must Be Done With Out Thought (mushin) I gess, my point is that for those of you that think that you can use what your learning - Better have those Techniques Memorized, so they can be executed WITH OUT THOUGHT, if not, your just kidding(lying to your self)!!!


As a former Body guard - Where I worked mostly at Laber Disputes - I have been in Quite a few Now Moments - And, yes - in the 15 or so Years thast i did this type of work, i have ko a few - I have Memorized just a few special KO Techniques that i can execute with out thought - which if executed properly can cause a KO and that is of the highest order - because most of the time they will knock the attacker down, but without a complete ko! I would not even try to ko someone, unless it was a group attack, then you had to use a ko method to reduce the numbers.
But - Most of the time We would when attacked - Zero in on that Offending Appendage Striking it on (oh my lions and tigers and bears), there are a Whole bunch of points - and Clusters of them on the Arm, that when struck will take the arm out + Hurt an afoul lot - giving us that second too execute an Aikido method.

No Sir, I don't mind - I just ask that no one try these on your friends!
Anyway - Ill try - but please understand that i'm not a writer
Also, we are in luck, because I have placed all of the methods that have been proven street worthy into a couple of kata's. All I have to do is remember the sinerio

At one assignment, we were too guard a Motel that had some V.P. Replacement personal staying there.
 This was around 2:00AM - Myself and my partner(we were always paired in Two's.)were doing a Check of the motels hallways - the pickets would write the word "scab" on the walls - Well, sure enough we caught one - Now, my partner was a very Large person(i think that he was Mr. Oklahoma a long time ago) - and I,m on the thin side> The picket chose me to try and run through too escape, because we were in a motel hallway(not much room), I was unable to move to the side(we call it too move out of the fire) - He came at me at a run, and just as he was close enouph, that i could smell the Alcohol on his breath - I leaned to my right side, and executed what we call Fa-jing(explosive energy, and Struck him  with my Left (one/knuckle) punch slightly upward into his left cheek(SI-18) - This caused him to spin around, before he went down - He did not go into knockout - but he was in a lot of pain.
I gess - this story means that you will, sometimes only have too Strike one point to end a confrontation -Especially when you can use your attackers forward motion against himself




 

If I remember - As my partner and i were coming around a corner - we saw him - He was only around 10 feet from us! My partner was just behind me, on my right side - This happened quite fast - I believe he was going to push me out of the way, so he could continue his escape.

This next one happened inside a Court House, of all places - A picket that was filmed braking Car windows, and Throwing Rocks at us, went to Court. I was there, because I had to testify. He was Fined, and also the Union he was in was also fined, cause it was Strike related. Anyway after the hearing - just outside the court-chambers, this Numbskull was so agitated that he grabbed me with both hands, and was starting to threaten me! (his arms were bent -and he was in my face). The method (technique) that I used comes from an extra meridian named "Yang Wei Mai" This happens in a second - they do not even feel it - With my right Hammer/Fist,  I Struck into CO-14(hard), as i also Struck into GB-20 with a Left Reverse/Ridge hand - Down he went. Because of the witnesses - He was arrested for assault!

The experiences that you asked me to share are from my day's as a Body Guard - I worked mostly at Labor disputes - Most of the altercations were at strikes down South, and on the East Coast
I did this type of work for around Fifteen Years!
Most of us that did this work were contract agents, where when something was going down, the companies that we worked for would call us - Fly us too the location. I worked for Four different companys.
All of Us that did this type of work, lived in different States! The Company's that had a contract - Had a list of all of us - they would call us, to fill the number of personal that they believed they needed,. We would jump on an airplane - meet somewhere - get all our ducks in a row- and off we go - I know that you did not ask for all of this information, but i thought that knowing this would put everthing in prospective
When I started - One had to either have a Law Enforcement, or a Military Background. I have meet some of the Greatest People that you would want to know, and, of course a few A** H****
Don't quote me but, I would say that around 90% of us were Combat Viet-nam Vets  

Ok - Another Altercation(i'm trying to limit too the ones that involved Kyusho) -- By the way - My Art, is Greatly Patterned after Taiji, where as all of our methods(techniques) are named - I used "Exploding Chi", on this altercation; After a hard night shift(16hrs) - I went into a little store, got one bag of stuff - Then as I was walking back to my motel, I was confronted by Three Pickets(all had been drinking - (you could smell the alcohol on them) One of them tryed to grab my bag of groceries that i was holding with my right arm - He was on my right-front, the other Two, were behind him. Ok, as he made a forward motion too grab my stuff with his right hand, i turned my upper body a little clockwise - and executed "Exploding Chi" with my left open/hand, Whare as I did a (Chi disruptive open/hand "slice" strike from his upper arm too his wrist, and a split second later,I Slammed my left Cuped/Palm into the Whole Back of his Neck, and Down He Went! The other Two ran into the store, but the store clerk had already called the Police, they must have been real close, because they were there with in oh, Three minutes or so. The clerk had seen the whole thing

Boy, I'm I really Confused Now MasterLambert, you toled me too watch my tone , and not too Challenge You on the other Post!
 Besides being asked too give a few experiences that I had - I also was hoping that when you all read them - Now, I don't Mean You Sir; This was for the others OK? My meaning is that - For Just Self-defense reasons - It would not take a whole bunch of pressure points too down someone, it just takes one or maybe two to do it.

Now, having said that - I'm Very Embarrassed that You Thought That I Was In Any Way Undermining Your Style, Or Your Knowledge