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« on: June 05, 2007, 01:34:31 PM »

Have you ever created your own kata?

If so please share some details.

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 12:13:49 AM »

How do you feel about musicians who only play cover songs. It is the same thing for a martial artist to never make his own form or kata. Yes I have and I suggest you should it will help you grow and understand your own martial arts more.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 08:37:17 PM »

Well, I'm not sure if it's a kata, but I created an excersise to sharpen up stances.  Start facing front (12:00) in "ready position".  Step back with right leg into a left front balance, left downward strike (we don't block, we strike).  Step back again, only this time with left leg and right downward strike.  You should be in aright front balance.  Slightly turn on the balls of your feet, counter clockwise 45 degrees, into a horse stance.  You should be facing the corner (11:00).  Step back again with left leg into a right front balance.  Turn your body another 45 degrees, into a horse stance (9:00).  Keep going, you can step forward or backward at anytime, as long as you start in right front balance.  Or, you can go clockwise, just change to all left front balances and downward strikes.  This also shows how important "C" steps are in kata.  It keeps students from stomping their feet, and puts them in the proper front balance for the next move.  I've created one for cat stances and water stances, too.   I'ts alittle hard to describe, but you still move in a circle (either direction), it's just a very small and tight circle.  Start in a left cat stance, then move left foot behind the right so your left shin is resting on your right calf, knees bent.  Step back with left foot into a right cat stance, and so on and so on.  Grand Master Dillman actually complimented our students' stances at the last seminar we attended.  Can it get any better than that??!!!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2007, 08:06:47 AM »

In the Olden Days - A Kata was invented from actual Methods(techniques) that were used in Combat!
If all of us were the same, then some of us would not be necessary Wink


If you have some Favorite Methods(techniques) that Work For You - Then I would place them in a Kata format! Make them Yours (own them) practice them untill you can execute with out thought!



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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2007, 10:29:29 PM »

I have a question: I see Chinese styles have diferent animal katas to attack the 12 shichen or horary cycles(12 animal forms or something I think), has Karate this kind of special katas? Are they 12 too?
I asked this in the past by email to Erle Montaigue and Rick Clark and they answer me "not exist", Karate not has this kind of katas but I believe those Katas exist. Could anybody answer me that question, and if somebody can tell which ones are they?  My kingdom for that answer!  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 06:59:37 AM »

I have a question: I see Chinese styles have diferent animal katas to attack the 12 shichen or horary cycles(12 animal forms or something I think), has Karate this kind of special katas? Are they 12 too?
I asked this in the past by email to Erle Montaigue and Rick Clark and they answer me "not exist", Karate not has this kind of katas but I believe those Katas exist. Could anybody answer me that question, and if somebody can tell which ones are they?  My kingdom for that answer!  Grin

Hi - I'm a little surprised that Erle, said that they do not exist Huh I think that Erle might have taken your discription (12 animal forms) literally Huh Wink Because they do exist Wink They are not "animal katas". They are called "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I would re-contact Erle, and ask him about "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I don't know, because i was not there - but these 12 methods (techniques) were taught (One Each Year)! They are for HEALTH + DIM-MAK  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2007, 03:14:13 PM »


Hi - I'm a little surprised that Erle, said that they do not exist Huh I think that Erle might have taken your discription (12 animal forms) literally Huh Wink Because they do exist Wink They are not "animal katas". They are called "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I would re-contact Erle, and ask him about "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I don't know, because i was not there - but these 12 methods (techniques) were taught (One Each Year)! They are for HEALTH + DIM-MAK  Grin

Erle told me "In Karate dont exist that katas because Karate is imperfect" he said that to me. I am not agree with him obviosly because I like Karate and I know this horary cycles  techniques maybe are hidden in some katas that we do and we dont know about it, I think.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007, 05:54:53 AM »


Hi - I'm a little surprised that Erle, said that they do not exist Huh I think that Erle might have taken your discription (12 animal forms) literally Huh Wink Because they do exist Wink They are not "animal katas". They are called "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I would re-contact Erle, and ask him about "The 12 Deadly Katas" Wink I don't know, because i was not there - but these 12 methods (techniques) were taught (One Each Year)! They are for HEALTH + DIM-MAK  Grin

Erle told me "In Karate dont exist that katas because Karate is imperfect" he said that to me. I am not agree with him obviosly because I like Karate and I know this horary cycles  techniques maybe are hidden in some katas that we do and we dont know about it, I think.

Good Morning Sir; There is an Old Saying (If we were all the same, then some of us would not be necessary) We have different Likes and dislikes Yes? In my humble opinion, i believe that Erle is correct in saying that Karate is imperfect! - The word Karate means (Empty Hand), so the Word Karate could mean All Styles, (hard, and soft) Its not the Style, its the Person that is Training in what ever Style, that makes that Style, Yes? My Friend, go to Erle's web-site, and find the Article (The Demise of Taiji) And you will see what Erle is talking about> Now, I'm a little confused -- You are looking for some Karate (meaning a hard style) Techniques, or Kata's that are patterned after Animals? There is a Monkey Style Kungfu - There are Kungfu styles that were invented after a crane and a snake were observed fightning, and there are different Stances that are named after animals - Horse Stance, Cat Stance - There are Numeral, i mean Thousands of Methods (techniques) that are Named, and patterned After An Animal! Heck; We have several methods in  our style that are named after an Animal. - So, its not clear as too what your looking for - but Good Luck - As they say - Just dig three feet deeper, and you will find the gold Grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2007, 10:32:04 AM »

In my opinion all styles are imperfect because all styles have not something that other styles have. Erle told me that meaning Kunfu is perfect and karate not. I am not agree with that.
He has a lot of knowledge I know, and he is a great guy because he always  answered the emails I sent to him in the past without know me. But I am not agree Kunfu is better than Karate, they are different styles and both of them have weaknesses like all styles.

And about the second thing, I am not looking for animal katas I am looking for horary cycles katas(shichen),in kunfu they are represent in 12 animal katas but I think in Karate must to be some katas to attack the 12 hours cycle too.

I sent an email to master Rick Clark to ask it and he asnwered me he doesnt believe in the 12 hours cycle but I think why not to believe?. This is the problem of Dillman students they dont believe in anything that Dillman did not teach.

Well, Thatīs all Folks!  Grin
 
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2007, 10:46:55 AM »

In my opinion all styles are imperfect because all styles have not something that other styles have. Erle told me that meaning Kunfu is perfect and karate not. I am not agree with that.
He has a lot of knowledge I know, and he is a great guy because he always  answered the emails I sent to him in the past without know me. But I am not agree Kunfu is better than Karate, they are different styles and both of them have weaknesses like all styles.

And about the second thing, I am not looking for animal katas I am looking for horary cycles katas(shichen),in kunfu they are represent in 12 animal katas but I think in Karate must to be some katas to attack the 12 hours cycle too.

I sent an email to master Rick Clark to ask it and he asnwered me he doesnt believe in the 12 hours cycle but I think why not to believe?. This is the problem of Dillman students he doesnt believe in anything that Dillman did not teach.

Well, Thatīs all Folks!  Grin
 

Yes, I agree with you, in the fact that All Systems have their strong and weak (yin & Yang) I understand that your looking for Katas that attack pressure points according to the 12 hour cycle? I don't think that their is such a kata,because each technique with in the kata attacks different pressure points, and they are from different meridians that start and end at different times.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2007, 12:12:29 PM »

pauljush, You are right about Kung fu Vs karate It the man not the system that wins I personally disgree with anyone who speaks of there system or way as THE BEST. On the 12 animal question, Almost every body out there focus is on technique. when It should be on foundations. The foundation of the crane is to not get bitten or in combat don't get hit. So the crane moves quickly waves it wings and says clear of direct conflict and when the timing is right, uses the beak to ward off the preditor. the Tiger is different, It chases it's prey It has no fear, and distroys It's prey. The to animals have different mind sets, you see? So it goes with the 12 animal forms. and the foundation is to fight in the same way as these 12 animals.

  Now, when I asked an old master this same question Man is smarter than any animal, in Karate we stand like men and fight like men.  So in karate we think like men but we use animal tools to do the work. The fathers borrowed these animal tool and plcaed them in our TA.  In kara-ta in the all Kata you will find bits of all the 12 animals used together with the thinking proscess of a man, no an animal! The animal can and will do only what it know instictively, It can only do one thing, but the man can change at will. perhistoric man found ways to defeat all the animals, big and small and yes if the man is cough of gard of place the role of the pray the animal will kill that man, true But that is the answer to that problem, don't think as the pray. If the tiger chases you do you run? if you do you will become dinner! so what would you do? You would not think like animal prey, you would think like a man.

Although times and season work they are a small additional sub technique which causes the result to be magnified in all cases. Is the knowledge vital, No. In healing as it is with striking it can be use to amplify any result. In all school this would be learn as a side bar to the other teachings at a higher rank.
Thank you for posting your question. L.P.Lambert.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2007, 06:43:52 PM »

horary points       time of peak flow       angles of insertion   (degree)
lu8                         3am to5 am                45   

li  1                        5am to7 am                15
st  36                      7am to 9am              90
sp 3                        9amto11am             45
ht8                        11am  to  1 pm         90
si  5                     1 pm to 3pm                 90
bl  66                   3pm to 5 pm                45
ki   10                   5pm to 7 pm             90
pc  8                     7pm to  9 pm            90
tb  6                     9pm  to  11pm          90
gb 41                   11pm to 1 am           90
lv   1                    1am to 3 am             90

This may not be a answer but it horary points it will help you find a answer
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2007, 07:26:49 PM »

 I  know in interveiw  with Morio higannoa   goju ryu.He say Im against changing kata He also go to say I beleive that kata  is not just something made up.
they are hundreds and thousand of year  old . Their is alot of information in each one of them.Few  people know that there are certain katas to be practiced in the morning and other in the even in order to get the most out of them.He  say lot of the knowledged has been lost through the years
but it my responsibility to keep this important infomation alive for generation to come
ps  i hope these 2 post  help
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2007, 09:24:28 PM »

TYR, I think that the Master is correct. Kata should not be changed. But in fact they have been. and I understand why they have been changed. Of the old Kata, I try to find the oldest Kata and that will tell me how it began. and the thoughts behind them. Like the old Nahanchi shodan has no croos overstep. It starts in with bow, salutation, in a open toe stance the left leg step into the first stance, short horse or Nahanchi stance. then the first hand technique ( right handed movement) moves out to the right. This early Form shows the method of steping away from the attack. with the cross over step moves into the attack braking the rythem of the attack. the early kata first arm moments hand shape is a chop hand form, the later kata uses a open back hand which is shown for the purpose of skipping a step, by not using the hand as a strike but as a block only. so it will be a quiker movement to the it's first strike ( palm heel strike to the back side of the neck GB # 12 and 20). In this way the traditional kata should not be changed But it will be changed if some one feel they have a different option to add or subtract.

  But a band new kata should be created on many levels. if not, how would we have gotten the old traditional kata?
 and so many kata And most of use don't even know if the kata in are system is the original! and it really don't matter. Kata is only a display of method as well as technique. and all kata does this. one mans way to ingage a battle. I feel it is a good thing for any yan-dan to start trying to formulate his on Fighting form and creat his or her own personal kata. Why, because it will tell him just what he really knows. It will be seen by other and they will ask questions that will need to be answered. And it will take time to perfect, years of time. And it is always been worth the effort. Try it, for your self and you will see.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2007, 09:49:47 PM »

The horary points, to learn more on these pp, pick up a standard text book on acupunture. it's all in there, and more.
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