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Selroth
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I wanna learn to fight with pressure points only, not anything else. But the problem is, you guyz have all these codes for pressure points. I really wanna learn this stuff! I rly need help with all this stuff. Can anyone help me out?
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September 03, 2007, 09:39:02 PM »
Start with the defeating bjj with pressure points DVD there are no codes there. It's real easy to learn no B.S. You can buy it on this site. How old are you? are you in the martial arts? if so how long? what style?
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Well I was in taekwondo, but my Teacher sucked. So i finally wanted to fight using pressure points, but i want something where it could have a big impact on bigger ppl than me. Cuz i heard from my cousin there is a kind of style where u kinda pull on the pressure point, to make it where it hurts soooooo bad. Most likely to cause VERY big impacts. So if there was some way if someone could teach me where i wouldn't have to buy the dvd, cuz i dont have the money
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Charts won't help without instruction. Get a job and save your $$.
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September 05, 2007, 08:11:12 AM »
Selroth. It is very hard if not impossible to learn to fight in any style without some kind of hands on training.
Are there any karate schools in your area that you can perhaps take a few trial lessons to see if you like it?
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I know this is a month old, but I'm just checking out all the categories. I agree with smckeown, try some classes. You need to learn with a qualified instructor and hands on. Then move on to accupuncture illustrations and charts. They are very specific. PLEASE DON'T TRY TO DO LEARN ON YOUR OWN!
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October 08, 2007, 04:48:03 AM »
Hi
You cant just use pressure points for fighting you need to have what we call a delivery system.
If someone starts wailing on you how are you going to get past this and hit the PP's in the correct way?
You need to learn to fight as well as learn the pressure point system. IMNSVHO.
Or better still how to avoid fighting.
tc
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October 19, 2007, 07:36:06 PM »
YOU ARE RIGHT! in the old day you were shown a kata, then you learned the kata in parts, till you got down the whole kata. you would ask, what am I doing. the teacher would say, this is a block for this type strike and this is a strike here at this point. and that was all there was two it. and that was the way it was for three tousand years. But now that we are in the information age. And people think by knowing all this complicated stuff, that it makes you a better martial artist. The other thing is the true old Master that could teach kata that way are far and few I can count them on my hands world wide. IT ISN'T COPLICATED you canlearn it simply by striking this place on the arm, leg, or body and get some type of reaction. it's as simple as that. But to be come a Master, you would go deeper in to the study. Not necessaraly knowing combinations like GB#24 with LIV#14 or ST# 9 with ST#9 orCV#22 with GB#1 but how to get the out come written in the notes of the Masters that wrote them. all though combination are O.K. the practice of chi traveling, directing it through the body and all the things that make the right things happen by way of methods and techniques.
Since the old master are gone, many people have spent the time trying to understand how these thing work and all of them pick things up little by little over time and find out how, in different ways, some complicated some not so complicated. I teach in the old way strike here, like this, as shown in this kata. But to make it work, there are methods for each one. to produce the correct out come.
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Hello "Selroth" -
I'm a New Guy on this Forum - Read your posting concerning Learning Pressure point's
In my Humble Opinion, there is ONLY One MASTER that You should Go Too
His Name is (Erle Montaigue) This Gentleman Has EVERYTHING that You Could Possibly Want in Regards to the Study of Pressure Point Usage
And + A lot More. It would take You Two Life Times to Learn All that He Teaches
His Web-site is, (
www.taijiworld.com
) As they say "The Proof is in the Pudding"
You also can see Erle in those little films on youtube - Check Him Out
Also, Erle has a Great Book out Named (the Encyclopedia of Dim-mak the main meridians) The main reason that He wrote this book, was to WARN All of You Out There, that Are Knocking Out Your Students, The DANGERS of Doing This
ThankYou
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I am also looking at a book from him. I agree he is one of the other very intelligent pressure point masters.
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I agree, he is a great master of the shoft arts. Many years ago we talked weekly by E-mail we exchanged gifts and if you are one of his students, you may have seen a book I sent him. He is a very nice guy and a credit to the martial arts. A good father husband and good to his students. top notch. But in all fairness, his techniques do not apply well to karate. If you are trained in true soft arts and hard style, you may be able to apply his techniques. But it would be very hard to apply his techniques if you only know hard styles like karate systems. I know shoft and hard styles, so I can adapt it, but the people who only know hard styles will get lost. If you are a student of his, please give him my kind regards and ask him, how are you doing with your music?
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Quote from: masterlambert on October 24, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
I agree, he is a great master of the shoft arts. Many years ago we talked weekly by E-mail we exchanged gifts and if you are one of his students, you may have seen a book I sent him. He is a very nice guy and a credit to the martial arts. A good father husband and good to his students. top notch. But in all fairness, his techniques do not apply well to karate. If you are trained in true soft arts and hard style, you may be able to apply his techniques. But it would be very hard to apply his techniques if you only know hard styles like karate systems. I know shoft and hard styles, so I can adapt it, but the people who only know hard styles will get lost. If you are a student of his, please give him my kind regards and ask him, how are you doing with your music?
I gess you are correct, someone that is training in a "Hard Style" would have a problem, and that is Really a Shame
because, learning some of this "Soft Stuff" would Only Enhance Their Knowledge!
For example - There is an Article that I read called "Dead Arm"- And, I see that there is a Tape coming out soon, called "Pressure point speed striking" - Both of these concepts are what We in the Soft Arts call (Fa-jing, explosive energy - that uses the Whole Body, a Very Powerful - Very Fast method, but in order to master this concept, one has to be in "Sung"+ The "C"-Back posture should also be mastered. Many Karate people around the world now are beginning to realize this and are changing their methods slightly, so that they represent that which was originally kept from them! And, In my humble opinion, it looks like You are introducing these "Soft Concepts" Also - In which I Congratulate You for it - now, all that has to be done is figure out how to implement this Soft methods into the people on this Forum that are training in the Hard Styles
FYI = You can reach Erle at (
erle@qigong.org.uk
) Maybe he can help in blending the hard with the soft - Now, i'm not saying that you need help! But, from one Master too another - If we dig just three feet deeper, we will find the Gold! Erl's Music is Real Good
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October 26, 2007, 08:47:13 PM »
Your right! that is what Shin Shu Ryu is! Karate is very chop-y and is basic training,created for basic warfare combat training or Boot Camp. In there lost Kata-s you can see the old masters using very similar movments as in the soft arts, When I see kata practiced today, the flow motion is missing they do there kata technique by technique or the body moves then the attack. If you have seen the kata Nahanchi sho the first four movements are done as one movement., With out knowing this, there is no jing, and I know just by watching that they struggle with applications. I created ShinShu kata because it teaches flow motion right from the begining and jing, springing, coyling is all there from the begining. The foot work is totally unknown to the martial arts world of today.I did this because it was to hard to teach these thing to my students. in the traditional ways. I finished the kata in 1993-4 and showed it to the sensei I was under who trained under Grand Master Hohon Sokon and he was well pleased with it. it has over 100 movements in it, much like your style but is not like any style or system. but you will see somethings that look like single whip and strum the lute but even they are totally different in application. Single whip has limb distruction for the attacking arm and a kick, strum the lute any frontal attack with the arms and force the attacker down and backwards.
When I created this form it was to incorp all I had learned into one form, for private use. But people right away wanted to learn it, So I did that till I retired from teaching. I think it will become another lost kata. So what I do now is teach the pp out of the kata on the web site, knowing that It's not the only way, but just a way if people out there have no way, need a sounding board and mostly to give a home base for all who wish to see what the other side is doing. So here Dillmans people can talk to Moneymakers people and Morans people can talk to Dillmans people and in time Master can talk to master in a world wide community And I am very thankful that all of you guys and gals do just that in peace and hamony.
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Quote from: masterlambert on October 26, 2007, 08:47:13 PM
Your right! that is what Shin Shu Ryu is! Karate is very chop-y and is basic training,created for basic warfare combat training or Boot Camp. In there lost Kata-s you can see the old masters using very similar movments as in the soft arts, When I see kata practiced today, the flow motion is missing they do there kata technique by technique or the body moves then the attack. If you have seen the kata Nahanchi sho the first four movements are done as one movement., With out knowing this, there is no jing, and I know just by watching that they struggle with applications. I created ShinShu kata because it teaches flow motion right from the begining and jing, springing, coyling is all there from the begining. The foot work is totally unknown to the martial arts world of today.I did this because it was to hard to teach these thing to my students. in the traditional ways. I finished the kata in 1993-4 and showed it to the sensei I was under who trained under Grand Master Hohon Sokon and he was well pleased with it. it has over 100 movements in it, much like your style but is not like any style or system. but you will see somethings that look like single whip and strum the lute but even they are totally different in application. Single whip has limb distruction for the attacking arm and a kick, strum the lute any frontal attack with the arms and force the attacker down and backwards.
When I created this form it was to incorp all I had learned into one form, for private use. But people right away wanted to learn it, So I did that till I retired from teaching. I think it will become another lost kata. So what I do now is teach the pp out of the kata on the web site, knowing that It's not the only way, but just a way if people out there have no way, need a sounding board and mostly to give a home base for all who wish to see what the other side is doing. So here Dillmans people can talk to Moneymakers people and Morans people can talk to Dillmans people and in time Master can talk to master in a world wide community And I am very thankful that all of you guys and gals do just that in peace and hamony.
First off - I just now, looked at your Name(MasterLambert). Please forgive me - I'm brand new at this Forum stuff) I haven't been paying attention to whom i was talking too, so to speak
Yes, what you are saying is so true concerning what has happened too the "Hard Styles" - The lack of True Meaning with in their Forms! I have found one person that has placed the Kyusho, and the Grappling methods back into the Pinon Kata's! You might know him? His name is (Iain Abernethy) - He has a web-site, where a person can, for free, download some of the hidden methods!
Master Lambert; Let me give you a Readers digest back ground of my self. I Now, Know who You Are - I believe you should know me also; I was Lucky that I met a couple of True Masters, when I first started my training in 1957 - Judo + China Hand, were my first Two Martial Art's.
My Judo, was at the local YMCA, and my China-hand training was from a Friend of my Father's - An Old China Sailor. Then in the Marine Corps, i was a Brig Guard - We trained with the 1st. Force Recon People in Traditional Aikido methods - these methods had Kyusho within.
Then, when i was in Viet-nam - 1965 I was a Scout Sniper - attached to a South Vietnamese Marine Unit - Whare i was exposed to their Martial Art (don't remember what they called it, but It sure did work).
I was introduced to Erle montaigue, by my Late Master Tomio Nonaka, who was a Master of Old Ju-jutsu methods. Erle, has Enhanced my Knowledge at least 10,000%. I really was not toled all of the damage that could be inflicked, untill i met Erle! And least but not last - I was a Body Guard for around 15 Years. Also, was involved in training them. Now, this is where I Really found out that By and large - most of their past training was not Street Worthy - The hard stylest, only knew how to punch and kick, with very little grappling skills (had to re-train, because of Excessive Force Issues) If all that they knew was how to hit sombody, we could not and would not use them! The Grappling Arts were best suited - Aikido, Judo ect,.
Its good that you have a web-site that allows free ideas, and concepts
I have read some of the posts, that talk about how a pressure point is best used - And, In my humble Opinion - Some of them Have it All Wrong. Exp; there is one chap that said that TH-23, should be struck in an "Upward Direction, inorder to break that little bone thats there".
Why in Hell would someone want to do that??? The Only Direction too Strike TH-23 IS DOWNWARD - Only takes a moderate strike = There is a little film of Erle Montaigue (MTG86) that explains the correct way too Attack TH-23!
Thank you
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Well Tom, not all the people who visit your web site truly understand a given pp that they are talking about. they do think so because there instructor said so and thats really all they can know! But because of this interchange of cross talk from students and masters, all can expand there thinking on the pp that they wish to learn more about. In this way, student as well as master can profit from this exchange. students may see deeper and masters can too. I well know that almost all the master Iv'e meet, have much more to learn. The word master I difine as, eternal student. And I have seen many time Top masters, perried by a student from another system. Iv'e seen this with 5 top ranked master in martial arts out of six. So even I am looking to learn more. In this way we are all just students, arn't we?
I am glad to know some of your personal combat history and training. And It is obvious to all the writers and visiter that you have lots of combat knowledge and we are so glad to have so many people like you, giving to the web-site so that all of use can benifit. People like Bob Moran, you Tom, Jule and others And the many Masters that E-Mail me privately from time to time.
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