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« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2007, 02:42:09 PM »

Hi there Tom,

Where can I get this film clip MTG55???

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« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2007, 02:55:02 PM »

You can try this link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SqHCUl5TILA

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« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2007, 04:06:52 PM »

How did you do that?
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« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2007, 04:15:07 PM »

Good - And, just in case someone doesn't know =The accessory nerve point is on Both Sides of the Neck Grin
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« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2007, 05:46:59 PM »

Tom my freind I am sorry to say that, medically there is nothing to show that the Accesory nerve is effected when this strike acures. The accesory nerve Is distantly connected to the Vagus nerve but the function of the accesory nerve is to control the function of the Stenocleidomasroid and the Trapezius muscles. A strike to this nerve can only effect those muscles. then the shoulder would drop down on the side that is hit along with the head. So the Spinal Accessory nerve IS NOT the reason the person hit goes out. My theory is that, dew to shock to the Area nerves, spinal shock and possible the lower parts or the brain in c1, c2 c3, is why the person goes out. If the accesory nerve is damaged The two above muscle would be limited in funtion as a result. But it really does'nt matter why, as long as it works. Look up accsesory nerve in your seach web, this will mediclly confirm what I said.
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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2007, 07:47:51 AM »

Tom my freind I am sorry to say that, medically there is nothing to show that the Accesory nerve is effected when this strike acures. The accesory nerve Is distantly connected to the Vagus nerve but the function of the accesory nerve is to control the function of the Stenocleidomasroid and the Trapezius muscles. A strike to this nerve can only effect those muscles. then the shoulder would drop down on the side that is hit along with the head. So the Spinal Accessory nerve IS NOT the reason the person hit goes out. My theory is that, dew to shock to the Area nerves, spinal shock and possible the lower parts or the brain in c1, c2 c3, is why the person goes out. If the accesory nerve is damaged The two above muscle would be limited in funtion as a result. But it really does'nt matter why, as long as it works. Look up accsesory nerve in your seach web, this will mediclly confirm what I said.

Yes - I understand your Skepticism Grin I was also Very Skeptic of these "Neurological Shutdown Methods" And, of course I do not have the Medical Knowledge that you do - cause, if I did, I probably would also see them as Not Applicable also Wink Except, for one simple thing - Master Lambert, I have Used Them, and They Work Grin Now, I will probably get into trouble with Erle, because He Said Not To Do The "Accessory Nerve" Method, unless you have Several Years of Training, because this method Can Kill, if Too Much Force is Used Wink
Well, I don't have that many years left on this earth, so i cheated Grin
I have Three Brother Viet-nam Vets, that Train with Me Twice a Week, and when I Explained the (N.S.P) methods too them; They wanted too see for them selves, So, we Executed them on each other, the way that Erle Taught me - Bingo Grin Grin Wink Boy, did they work YES Wink I had one of them execute the "Accessory Nerve" method on me - I Went Out, and I was starting to Wake back Up As My Knees Hit The Floor - These (N.S.) Methods, Now, Have A Very Large Place With In Nonaka Ryu Ju-jutsu Grin

Master Lambert; I Beg You Too Contact Erle (erle@qigong.org.uk) And Please Ask Him To Give You All Of The Information On The Neurological Shutdown Methods - this would be like talking to the horse him self - but don't tell him that i said that Roll Eyes Grin Anyway - After You Do This - We will get back too them Ok Huh I do need you to do this, because i just have a laymens answers, and you need someone that has all of the information Wink
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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2007, 08:01:31 AM »

Master Lambert; One reason that I feel that these (N.S.) methods are So Great, is because when they are executed properly - With in One Second, your Attacker is Out - not for long though- because that is what they do - is that the brain shuts down the whole nervous system, until it figures out what happened, then it wakes you back up Grin Cheesy Wink
I have used them too set-up an Aikido Waza for example Grin

You know , Master Lambert; I want too say MARY X-MAS Too You, and make these "Neurological Shutdown Method's" A Gift Grin Wink
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2007, 08:52:04 AM »

Thank you very much Tom, I will E-mail the master and see if he well give us a reply. And Tom I know they work! And I also Know, I don't know everything about pp's But I am ready willing and ready to learn! My every day be a happy holiday for every one, Kindest regards tom.
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« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2007, 09:00:46 AM »

Thank you very much Tom, I will E-mail the master and see if he well give us a reply. And Tom I know they work! And I also Know, I don't know everything about pp's But I am ready willing and ready to learn! My every day be a happy holiday for every one, Kindest regards tom.
L.P.Lambert.

THANK YOU SIR; I'm just Very Excited Grin And, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know that they worked - I only know around 12 words, and its hard for me to explain my-self Grin HAPPY HOLIDAYS, AND A SAFE NEW YEAR
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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2007, 02:57:52 PM »

I am no expert on the matter (student) however it's really not that hard to strike a pressure point in a real fight. If you are able to hit your attacker with a punch or a kick or an elbow etc then in my mind there is no reason why you couldn't strike one of the many pressure points which criss cross the human body. It's not hard to poke kneck #1 of Master Morans system. I will use his referencing as it is his course I am studying.  It's not hard (depending on reaction skill of opponent)to step on someones foot (foot #1) during the course of an altercation.  You could block a hook shot and with the block smash into arm #1 biceps and then shuto strike or back fist to jaw#2..Just for example... In most fights a pressure point gets hit accidentally. If a knock out occurs likely a point was hit.

When it comes to advanced use of points I know little or next to nothing but I am learning. The original question was can PP's be used in a real street fight. YES! Last April  I used them in an encounter with 3 individuals who were intent on hurting me severely. Huge guy comes forward and spits on me, guy gets poked in kneck #1 and swiftly kicked in abdomen sending him flying backwards and on the ground stunned, struggling to his feet on one knee but unable to get up. There were 3 but only 2 actually attacked at the same time. The fight ended with the guy who was struck in the PP's leaning over embracing his stomach and the others helping him back in the car and leaving. I didn't escape unscathed but my injury was self inflicted through error in movement. I was not struck. It didn't last long. All of 2 minutes. The obvious part was the PP's and how they worked immediately and then also had a delayed reaction or a lingering action which ultimately ended the fight. So the moral of the story is "if I can use em then anyone can." They do work in real situations". I only mentioned the fight as an example and to give some credibility from experience to what I am saying. That they work in fights. I try at all costs to avoid fights but sometimes their unavoidable. I am fortunate to have done as well as  I did.  I don't advocate  doing such things if they can be avoided.
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« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2007, 03:18:46 PM »

I only read a few of the posts on this subject and answered only to the subject title of the post..In case something I said contradicted something somewhere in all those replies it wasn't intentional. Just an interesting topic I wanted to share my thoughts about.


that's my disclaimer to the last post.......lol
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« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2007, 04:30:55 PM »

Hi klownfight, I don't thing that any one would be put out by what you said ( if some one did they should go home and take a humble pill) in fact thats what this sight is all about. Here it shouldn't be about " my way is better than yours or your wrong cause I'm right" it's about coming together and maybe in some cases coming down to one simple common denominator on any strike which produces results. and I am glad that one of his student spoke up for Master Maran. Few people world wide know of him and as you aready know, he can send you home in one day, with more PP strikes under your belt than any master on this planet. I can't even do that! He feels that the why factor is not as important as the how factor and his system is simple and efffective. And If I were in a fox hole I would be glad if Master Moran was there with me. If you want to learn fast Moran is THE MAN. His DVD's and charts aren't pretty but they are simple and they do work. and It is the simple things that work in a real confrontation. Some Masters teach like this, "pp is complicated" first you hit this to set up that to set up this?HuhHuh? it is like saying turn off the saftey, put in a bullet, cock the hammmer then aim your gun, and pull the trigger. too complicated in a combat zone. Moran aims and fires, done! and that is Bobs aim to simplify rather than complicate. Even though his numbering system is mostly unknown ( face # 1 and so on) his system is well done.
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« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2007, 08:55:34 AM »

Thanks Master Lambert!

I agree totally that learning comes from being humble and in being open to new information and new ways of doing things as well as old ways of doing things and older information. The true spirit of sharing and learning. Humbleness. Everything is useful even if it is to learn what not to do. I am honored to know Master Moran and learn from his experience. I am also honored to share thoughts with you all on this discussion board and to learn from YOUR experience and great knowledge as well...

Thank you All
Happy Holidays to All

Craig
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